One segment of the program featured a discussion on police brutality and the criminal justice system among a group of black men, including MSNBC contributor Charles Coleman Jr., civil rights activist Al Sharpton, and civil rights attorney Ben Crump, all while they engaged in a casual game of pool.
Crump, a well-known civil rights attorney, proposed a controversial idea: that the U.S. justice system creates laws specifically designed to criminalize black culture. He further suggested that crime could be eradicated entirely if the definition of crime were to be changed.
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Crump stated, "They come up with things to profile us for. I believe this with everything in my heart — we can get rid of all the crime in America overnight, just like that, and people ask, ‘How, Attorney Crump?' Change the definition of ‘crime.' If you get to define what conduct is going to be made criminal, you can predict who the criminals are going to be. … They made the laws to criminalize our culture — black culture."
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However, this argument was met with skepticism. The crimes of murder, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping, extortion, among others, are universally recognized as such, regardless of the race or ethnicity of the perpetrator.
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Legal scholar and political scientist Dr. Carol Swain responded to Crump's argument, calling it "ludicrous." She stated, "We need laws to be obeyed, and we need a public that's informed. And under no circumstances should we redefine crime so that it isn't crime. Are we going to redefine murder? Are we going to redefine rape? No, we don't want to go down that path."
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Dr. Swain, a black conservative, is often dismissed by the radical left due to her political leanings. She continued her critique of Crump's argument, stating, "What he is saying is false, it's problematic, and it will lead to the loss of black lives. Unfortunately, people who are not well-educated, or people who have been indoctrinated with Marxism, they will believe him, and that will be unfortunate for America."
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She further argued against the notion that the crimes for which Black Americans and other minorities are arrested are biased or specifically target them, calling this idea "ludicrous."
Dr. Swain concluded her remarks on a hopeful note, stating, "There are people in every community that are out there working to try to reduce Black crime, working to try to change our neighborhoods. But unfortunately, they are undermined by the likes of Benjamin Crump."
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Crump is not alone in his rhetoric about justice in America and its alleged disproportionate impact on black communities. Other prominent figures, such as MSNBC's Joy Reid and ABC's "The View" co-hosts Sunny Hostin and Whoopi Goldberg, have also been known to propagate similar narratives.
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Dr. Swain's critique of this narrative was clear: those who are not well-educated or have been indoctrinated may believe that the crimes for which black Americans are arrested are biased and specifically target them. Figures like Crump, Sharpton, Reid, Hostin, and Goldberg, she suggests, will continue to promote this narrative as long as they can.
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