See It Here: Don Lemon Loses His Sh*t In Explosive Debate With This 2024 Presidential Candidate

The debate centered around Ramaswamy's recent statements at an NRA conference. He argued that Democrats in the South were instituting gun laws to prevent African Americans from protecting their newfound rights in the post-Civil War era.

Lemon took offense to Ramaswamy's point and reduced it to a declaration that the Civil War was fought merely to give Black people gun rights, telling him the statement "insulted" him as a Black American. Lemon also told Ramaswamy that he had no right to talk about the experience of Black people in America because he's not Black.

Ramaswamy pushed back and insisted that both men should be able to talk about the issue regardless of their skin color. He clarified his stance: "That war was fought for Black people to have freedoms in this country. Actually, that's why the Civil War was fought." He added, "Actually, a funny fact is – Black people did not enjoy the other freedoms until their Second Amendment rights were secured."

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The intense debate was triggered after the hosts played a moment from Ramaswamy's speech to the NRA in Indianapolis. During the clip, the businessman and presidential candidate addressed the crowd, highlighting that the country's first anti-gun laws were passed in 1865.

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He argued that the Civil War was fought for Black Americans to have freedoms in the country, which included their Second Amendment rights, and that post-Civil War, Southern states passed anti-gun laws that stopped Black people from owning guns. He added, "The Democrat Party, then as in now, wanted to put them back in chains."

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Lemon disagreed with Ramaswamy's statement, stating that the Civil War was not fought for Black people to have guns and that Black people still aren't allowed to enjoy freedoms in this country. He interjected, "But Black people still aren't allowed to enjoy the freedoms as well in this country."

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Ramaswamy dismissed that claim outright, declaring, "I disagree with you on that Don… I think you're doing a disservice to this country by failing to recognize that we have equality before the laws here." He also stated, "I think we should be able to express our views regardless of the color of our skin. We should have this debate without me regarding you as a Black man."

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Lemon attempted to shut down Ramaswamy by claiming he didn't have the requisite skin color to make such a statement. The anchor replied, "Well, OK. When you are in Black skin and you live in this country then you can disagree with me." Ramaswamy protested, stating, "I think it's insulting that you're sitting here – whatever ethnicity you are – 'splaining to me about what it's like to be Black in America. I'm sorry."

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The debate continued for another minute, with Lemon calling Ramaswamy's talking points "reductive." At the same time, the guest shot back that the host's interpretation of the NRA speech was "reductive and actually insulting." As Ramaswamy continued, Lemon scolded his producers, who were distracting him on his earpiece during the debate. He snapped, "Hang on please! I cannot keep a thought if you guys are talking in my ear."