The Joe Rogan Experience host invited two scientists, Steven E. Koonin and Andrew Dessler, to talk about opposing views regarding climate change and how genuine conversations about the scientific data have been squashed by political corruption.
“It’s like a magic trick that we keep falling for,” Rogan said. “It’s like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown every time he goes to kick it. Every time, it’s the same thing.”
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While discussing with Koonin, former BP chief scientist and undersecretary for science at the Department of Energy during the Obama Administration, Rogan said that contentious topics seem to dissipate quickly.
“That’s always the case with something that is controversial, right?” Rogan asked Koonin in a February 11 podcast. “There’s always the alarmist perspective, and the people that are looking at it that have maybe a less extreme point of view are criticized because they’re not taking it seriously enough.”
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Koonin told Rogan that the American public does not hear the science but instead an overhyped political narrative.
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“When you get into the meat of the reports, they have some problems, but by and large, they’re pretty good summaries of the science,” Koonin said. “When you get to the summaries for policymakers, or you get to the media coverage or the political discussion, that’s where things get really corrupted. So it’s like a long game of telephone.”
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Dessler, a climate scientist and professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas A&M University, told Rogan that scientists had been used in public relations roles to advance specific messages.
“The problem is dysfunction in our government,” Dessler told Rogan in a February 16 podcast. “It is not a science problem. It’s not a technology problem. It’s a governmental problem, and I think the U.S., over time, our political system, is not responding to the needs of the people. It’s responding to the needs of people who are very rich.”
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Rogan also slammed politicians’ integrity.
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“The idea of the free market in terms of politics has never really manifested,” Rogan said. “It’s still large corporations that are influencing politicians to do things that aren’t in the best interest of their constituents. And that’s how they get elected, and when they get elected, they bulls*** us, and they get into the office, and they do the same thing over and over and over again.”
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While Koonin claimed that climate change models are often viewed like everything is urgent, causing the data to be overhyped, Dessler asserted the need for carbon-neutral energy to lessen air pollution and its impact on people’s health in addition to climate change.
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