"The point is that parents who were spooked by Critical Race Theory, none of whom can define it when you ask them what it is, they don't know. And if you say you're concerned about history in America when it comes to black history, it becomes a dead-end," said Dyson.
Maher cut in to say, "I find that a disingenuous argument because I don't think that is what people are objecting to. I think there are some places in this country where people will, but they are not objecting to black history being taught. There are other things going on in the schools."
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Dyson replied, "Like what?"
"Like separating children by race and describing them as either oppressed or oppressor. I mean, there are children coming home who feel traumatized by this. That's what parents are objecting to," explained Maher.
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"But Bill, … the beginning of critical race theory in the modern times is two years ago … Christopher Rufo, White guy, who said, 'Look, I'm reading the anti-racist literature. I see this critical race stuff. This stuff will make good publicity.' And he began to drive it home," Dyson said. "It's not critical race theory, it's the notion of centering Black people as historical agents, and the question is, if you talk about White kids being traumatized, oh really? So that Black kids were made to portray slaves -- we got stories on both sides. I think you are underestimating the anti-Black sentiment that's deeply entrenched that's way beyond Trump. … It ain't just Donald Trump, it's the party itself."
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Glenn Loury, an Economist, then joined with a bizarre perspective: "First of all, it's American history that we are talking about. And the question is, in what register do we tell the history of America. Blacks don't have a separate history."
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Dyson continued to contend, however, that the debate in school districts was centered only on how Black history education is passed to children rather than the CRT ideology itself.
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"But that's not all we're talking about," Maher pushed back. "We're talking about kids who seem to be too young sometimes to fully appreciate all this. I think if kids watched you, they wouldn't know a lot of those words. So to ask them as opposed to letting kids be kids, maybe, where usually kids are pretty nice to each other if they're instructed not to be."
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Loury told Maher, "we need to be getting beyond race," saying "we're in the 21st century, not the 19th century" and that young people shouldn't be "put into boxes" but allowed to do "what comes naturally, which is to cross the lines."
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