Giuliani, who is President Trump’s personal attorney and who has been leading the push to reverse President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, appeared Saturday morning on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast and talked about a common change of plan after a series of discussions on Friday, which are beginning to create disturbing headlines about the drastic measures that the president is weighing in the final month of his term in office.
“We met pretty much on and off all day yesterday, and starting this morning, there’s a completely different strategy,” Giuliani told Bannon, who was Trump’s 2016 campaign chief executive officer and later the White House's chief strategist for much of 2017. “The strategy is going to focus a great deal on some evidence we have about some of these machines that could throw off these states in a matter of maybe a one- or two-day audit."
The conversation took place at nearly the same time the New York Times first reported details of a White House meeting on Saturday, which combined Giuliani by phone.
The president raised the chance of Sidney Powell, an attorney involved in the Michael Flynn case who has been involved in several failed election claims even after being denied by the Trump legal team, being made special counsel to examine accusations of election fraud.
Flynn, who was shortly Trump's first national security adviser and was recently pardoned by the president, also participated, and Trump brought up his recent opinion about using the military to "rerun" the election in swing states.
The report said White House counsel Pat Cipollone and chief of staff Mark Meadows pushed back on these proposals.
During his interview with Bannon, Giuliani repeated claims that voting machines were used to throw the election to Biden in several key battleground states. He said that the Trump team wishes to examine voting machines in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania — all states that Biden won.
He said that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a conservative who previously was one of the president’s closest allies, and Arizona’s Republican Gov. Doug Ducey were involved in a “cover-up” following the election and maintained that investigating deeper into the machines could benefit Trump.
Despite objections by Trump and his allies, Kemp attended the White House Christmas party on Friday.
“I think we can get these accomplished despite the resistance and the cover-up of the Republican governors, the guy in Arizona and the guy in Georgia — if we had their cooperation, we could have it ended by Monday,” Giuliani said. “I’m tired of dealing with them. We just push them aside, and I think over the weekend, you’ll see different strategies being employed.”